Lost, Episode 2.23: Live Together, Die Alone
Ok, I've got some serious tired head over this one. I do know it wasn't anywhere near as exciting, suspenseful and satisfying as the season one finale. It just seemed... weird. My head hurts.
What are the fates of Eko, Locke and Desmond. And Jack, Kate and Sawyer. And Michael and Walt (I half expected the boat to blow up). And Sayid, Jin and Sun?
So Henry is the top dog of that group of Others. He and Eko are by far the best characters of season 2.
What's up with the big statue with the foot with 4 toes? Was it another decoy, like the fake village, or is this the something like the lost city of Atlantis?
"We found it". So what was "it" that those arctic circle dudes, working for Widmore, found. The island, the magnetic source, Dharma?
What did Desmond do to end up in the military prison?
Love the Kelvin connection. I'm sure everyone remembers him from the Sayid flashbacks. So is he REALLY dead? I take nothing for granted.
So the button really did need to be pushed.
Did Libby end up in the psych ward before or after we saw her with Desmond?
Did Michael have big sores/lesions on his head and hand? I thought I saw something in that night scene where Jack came up and talked to him. Could it be the sickness?
Those were some weird special effects when that bird thing flew at the group and Michael discovered he had no bullets.
Very interesting seeing the pneumatic tubes went nowhere but the middle of a field.
Cool seeing the electromagnetic stuff might have been what brought down the plane. I thought we'd actually see flashbacks to the plane for that. We now know the shows calendar date, based on knowing the plane went down September 22, 2004.
What exactly was the white light during the electromagnetic blow up? Will it have any affects?
What about the Other that Sawyer shot? They sure didn't follow up on that at all.
What did one snowman say to the another? It smells like carrots.
Claire's got an eye for Charlie again.
But at least Taylor won. Oh, wait... I'm getting confused with the picture-in-picture show we were watching during Lost commercials! ;-)
And... ohhhhhh, no.... what just happened to the Mavs? Grabbing the lead with 4 seconds left only to lose it with 1/2 second left. Sheeeze...
What are the fates of Eko, Locke and Desmond. And Jack, Kate and Sawyer. And Michael and Walt (I half expected the boat to blow up). And Sayid, Jin and Sun?
So Henry is the top dog of that group of Others. He and Eko are by far the best characters of season 2.
What's up with the big statue with the foot with 4 toes? Was it another decoy, like the fake village, or is this the something like the lost city of Atlantis?
"We found it". So what was "it" that those arctic circle dudes, working for Widmore, found. The island, the magnetic source, Dharma?
What did Desmond do to end up in the military prison?
Love the Kelvin connection. I'm sure everyone remembers him from the Sayid flashbacks. So is he REALLY dead? I take nothing for granted.
So the button really did need to be pushed.
Did Libby end up in the psych ward before or after we saw her with Desmond?
Did Michael have big sores/lesions on his head and hand? I thought I saw something in that night scene where Jack came up and talked to him. Could it be the sickness?
Those were some weird special effects when that bird thing flew at the group and Michael discovered he had no bullets.
Very interesting seeing the pneumatic tubes went nowhere but the middle of a field.
Cool seeing the electromagnetic stuff might have been what brought down the plane. I thought we'd actually see flashbacks to the plane for that. We now know the shows calendar date, based on knowing the plane went down September 22, 2004.
What exactly was the white light during the electromagnetic blow up? Will it have any affects?
What about the Other that Sawyer shot? They sure didn't follow up on that at all.
What did one snowman say to the another? It smells like carrots.
Claire's got an eye for Charlie again.
But at least Taylor won. Oh, wait... I'm getting confused with the picture-in-picture show we were watching during Lost commercials! ;-)
And... ohhhhhh, no.... what just happened to the Mavs? Grabbing the lead with 4 seconds left only to lose it with 1/2 second left. Sheeeze...
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Just a couple of things we learned before I head off to bed.
Zeke's real name is Tom.
Ms. Klugh's name is Bea.
Libby's deceased husband was named Dave. Coincidence that Hurley's imaginary friend was named Dave?
At the end..it looks like kate and jack know something..and have some sort of plan..and sawyer is totally out of the loop.
Wildmore Labs was printed on the balloon they found. http://www.humpys.net/view_pic.php?id=138&season=2
Jack picked up Locke's map of the hatches and put it in his pocket.
I find it hard to believe that after they went to so much trouble to get Walt, that they would let him go so easily.
Nice observation about Libby's husband sharing the same name as Hurley's imaginary friend, Dave.
The MSNBC recap is now online.
The Entertainment Weekly recap is now online also.
I will have a longer post later on today, but I can pretty much sum it up in six words:
What The Heck Is Going On?
"We found it". So what was "it" that those arctic circle dudes, working for Widmore, found. The island, the magnetic source, Dharma?
I think the rich girl friend was trying to track Desmond's boat... remember --if you are rich enough you can find anyone--. I think the bright light and what ever fell from the sky has to do with the island being "revealed" to the rest of the world (which ties to Desmond's snowglobe comment). The snowglobe is now broken if you will... allowing the outside world access and perhaps the islanders an opportunity to escape. During the prevoius "system failure" it allowed (or caused) the plane to crash on the island.
--Sorry if this is unorganized I need more coffee!
LOST – S2-E23-24 – “Live Together, Die Alone” – Desmond-centric
Quotes:
1. “You?” – Desmond to Jack
2. “Just tell them Desmond’s back till I find out the rest.” – Jack to Kate
3. “We are stuck in a bloody snowglobe.” – Desmond to Jack
4. “You still pushing it?” – Desmond to Jack
5. “Get in the car.” – Mr. Widmore to Desmond
6. “And what makes you think I would just run away?” – Desmond to Mr. Widmore
7. “All we have is the element of surprise, Jack.” – Sayid to Jack
8. “Do not tell me what I can’t do.” – Eko to Locke
9. “You’re a free man, John. Do not come back.” – Eko to Locke
10. “All right, enough jibber-jabber. Let’s roll.” – Sawyer to Michael’s group
11. “I don’t suppose you have 42,000 more of those, do you?” – Desmond to Libby
12. “I was unsuitable on several levels.’ – Desmond to Libby
13. “I have a boat. It was my husband’s but he got sick.” – Libby to Desmond
14. “Did that bird just say my name?” – Hurley to Sawyer
15. “He was doing what was best for him.” – Claire to Desmond
16. “Why didn’t you write to me?” – Penny to Desmond
17. “With enough money and effort, you can track anyone." - Penny to Desmond
18. “What did one snowman say to another? Smells like carrots.” – Locke and Desmond
19. “You wanna take a walk? I’ll make popcorn.” – Locke to Desmond
20. “I don’t know what is more disquieting. The fact that the rest of the statue is missing or that it has four toes.” – Sayid to Sun and Jin
21. “So, now I’m back in your good graces, Father?” – Charlie to Eko
22. “They’ve already been warned.” – Jack to Sawyer, Kate and Hurley
23. “We was gonna get killed and you knew it and you let us come anyway?” – Hurley to Jack
24. “Do you think that I would lead you all the way out here in the jungle if I didn’t have a plan?” – Jack to Sawyer, Hurley and Kate
25. “What plan?” – Sawyer to Jack
26. “See that brown stain there?” – Kelvin to Desmond
27. “And the worst part of it was I had only 108 minutes to bury the poor bastard." – Kelvin to Desmond
28. “What if you got it backwards, John?” – Desmond to Locke
29. “I lied to you because I needed a sucker to save the world after I left.” – Kelvin to Desmond
30. “I think I crashed your plane.” – Desmond to Locke
31. “She says she knows your beard is fake, Tom.” – Miss Klugh to Tom aka Mr, Friendly
32. “All right, let’s take care of business, shall we?” – unHenry to Michael
33. “I just saved us all.” – Locke to Desmond
34. “I’ll see you in another life, brother.” – Desmond to Locke
35. “I was wrong.” – Locke to Eko
36. “Where's your beard?" – unHenry to Tom aka Mr. Friendly
37. “Once you leave you'll never be able to get back here, and my hunch is you won't say a word to anybody because if you do, people will find out what you did to get your son back." – unHenry to Michael
38. “Who are you people?” – Michael to unHenry
39. “We’re the good guys, Michael.” – unHenry to Michael
40. “Your friends are coming home with us.” – unHenry to Michael
41. “Your job is to tell the rest of your people they can never come here," Miss Klugh to Hurley
42. “That’s it, isn’t it? We missed it again.” – Portugese scientist to the other
43. “Ms. Widmore. I think we found it.” – Portugese scientist to Penny
Random Thoughts (Flashback events):
1. What did Desmond do to get dishonorably discharged?
2. It was great to see Libby again. I’m thinking that she has a much bigger role in the Island story than we have seen so far. The name on the brochure was “International Open Ocean Racing Association”. Libby said her husband’s name was David. Hurley’s imaginary friend was Dave.
3. Why didn’t Desmond tell Penny that he had written her lots of letters when she asked? Did Desmond have his water bottle at the stadium? In Jack’s flashback, Desmond offers him some water from his bottle.
4. It looked like there were 3 people in yellow suits when Desmond washed ashore but it must have just been his cloudiness because it was only one. Great to see Joe Inman again. So is Kelvin his middle name or a name given to him by the Dharma Initiative? How long has he been there? His partner was Radzinsky.
5. Kelvin said that he only had 108 minutes to bury Radzinsky. Why? Couldn’t he keep going back and forth from the hatch to outside after pushing the button? Also, I understand that Kelvin wore the yellow suit to convince Desmond that the air outside was dangerous but why did he have it on when Desmond washed ashore? He must have spotted Desmond somehow and then went back to get it? But, again, why would he have it in the first place? Did Radzinsky use it on him?
6. Now we know who painted the Blast Door map and how they got the Blast Door to come down in the first place. Also, we now know why the button does need to be pushed every 108 minutes. But if it really is that important, why an automated process can’t be put in place just confuses me.
Random Thoughts (Island events):
1. Where were Bernard and Rose during the funeral scene? We see Bernard at the end with Claire but where was Rose?
2. Why was Desmond shooting at Jack, Sayid and Sawyer anyway? Did he hear them on the boat? For a drunk guy, he shoots pretty well.
3. Why in the world does Dharma make their own alcohol? If they want obedient participants, why would they give them something that may impair their behaviors?
4. Okay, I get that the plane crashed due to the enormous magnetic pull of the island, but would that pull the plane apart in mid-air? But it still doesn’t help explain why these people were on the plane and how they have crossed over each other’s background so many times. Is this just a random occurrence and that if 12 other people had survived the crash, then they would have had just as many coincidences as our gang? Also, how did the powers that be know that our gang would survive the plane crash – and with so few injuries? Ugh, my head.
5. Another quick magnetic question – why wasn’t Eko’s necklace moving toward the magnet? It died a little last week (or the week before). If the magnet was strong enough to pull a fire extinguisher off the wall (pretty cool shot), then surely it could have pulled the cross from Eko’s neck.
6. Interesting that Desmond mentioned “snowglobe” and Saywer mentioned “aliens.” Two popular theories to the whole show. That writers also had Libby discount that this island was all a dream in Hurley’s head a few episodes back.
7. When Sawyer said “Let’s roll”, it reminded me of the 9/11 airplane crash of Flight 93 (the one that crashed in the Pennsylvania field). “Let’s roll” were the last words heard from the passengers initiating their plan to counter-attack the terrorists. Their bravery kept the plane from crashing into another building.
8. As soon as I saw Libby in the flashback, I realized that the boat Elizabeth had been named for her.
9. That was one weird green bird that screeched “Hurley”. Weird. But how come we have not seen the black cloud since Eko’s episode? And what about the mechanical(?) monster that attacked the Pilot and almost dragged Locke down that hole? At this point, I would be happy to see a polar bear again.
10. Kevin – I didn’t think about Michael’s lesions as a sickness, but they could be. At first I thought that the scratch on Michael’s head was from his trek back from the jungle after being released by the Others. And I thought that lesion on his hand was actually gangrene setting in from his shoulder injury.
11. It seemed like it didn’t take long at all for Charlie and Eko to go find the dynamite and to carefully bring it all the way back to the hatch. I loved the scene where Eko throw’s Charlie’s belt against the wall. Which goes back to my magnetic question – why didn’t Charlie get pulled toward the wall when the key was turned? Thinking along that way, why wasn’t the key itself pulled toward the wall? Was it a plastic key?
12. Cool scene seeing all those bank teller tubes in the jungle. Were there three tubes in the Pearl hatch or were two of those tubes from another hatch? It would be interesting to see what is written in them and from how long ago. I also loved it when Desmond figured it out that the Pearl hatch was the fake experiment. I totally did not see that coming.
13. Also, cool scene when the tranquilizer darts were shot at our gang. Interesting that Jack just left Sawyer to his own devices while he stopped to help Kate. What a guy. ;-)
14. I couldn’t believe it when Locke smashed the computer. But then again, he only crashed the monitor. The CPU was still intact as was the keyboard. They still could have entered the numbers – they just would not have had the monitor to show them if they mistyped anything. And if the button has to be pushed every 108 minutes, why do they need to type in the numbers? It must be some parameters for the venting machine. Hmmm. My initial thought after Locke told Eko “I was wrong” was No Kidding. You Think? Sheesh. Maybe next time, just don’t type in the numbers and then when the shaking starts and forks start flying through the air, you can realize you made a mistake and then correct it!
15. Why did unHenry lie to Locke when he told him that he never pushed the button? Did the Others want the electromagnetic explosion/implosion? Why would they want that?
16. Mr. Friendly’s real name is Tom. Tom was the childhood friend of Kate’s with the toy airplane. Couldn’t be the same person because Tom got shot when he was helping Kate escape from the hospital.
17. unHenry is just the coolest bad guy there is. Not physically menacing but just has a great presence. Can’t wait to see more of him in Season 3.
18. If the Others wanted Kate, Jack, and Sawyer so badly why not take them when they captured Kate and had them all together - they could have sent Locke back with the message instead of Hurley. The Hurley Curse continues - those around him get hurt, but he remains unscathed.
19. Does Michael really believe that he will be allowed to escape? That’s quite a stretch. Maybe Michael will meet up with Sayid and help rescue our gang but he still did a horrible thing by killing Ana-Lucia and Libby. Okay, maybe just Libby ;-). And why didn’t Hurley pound Michael into the ground when he found out what happened? I guess he was still in mourning. Poor Hurley.
20. Was that smoke seen by the hunting party actually from Sayid? And where the heck was he anyway? It looked like Jack and Kate winked at each other like they knew that everything would be alright, but poor Sawyer was out of the loop.
21. Interesting snow scene to finish everything off. So many questions to ponder over the summer. Next week, ABC is showing one of the first episodes from Season 2. It will be interesting to watch it again knowing what we know now.
Tonight's episode by the numbers:
9 – Number of shots that Desmond fired at Jack, Sayid and Sawyer
Desmond’s letter had the numbers 4, 8, 23 and 42 on them
Libby pays $4 for Desmond’s coffee
Desmond asks her for $42,000 to buy a boat
Race around the world will take 8 months
0922044:16 – Printout reading of date and time when the plane crashed (but there is no AM or PM. And the plane didn’t crash at 4:16 in the morning, so shouldn’t the time be in military time – 16:16?)
Sawyer Names
Kate – “Freckles
FINAL THOUGHTS
MYTHOLOGY NOTES
1. Did anyone catch the Odyssey allusion? Penny=Penelope. Her man goes to sail around the world to win her back though she's engaged to another?
2. We have our Apollo bars. Then we have our giant foot which some have theorized to be the Colossus of Rhodes which was a giant statue of Helios. Who, in Mythology was closely linked with or sometimes considered to be Apollo. Helios' Animal was the eagle. (the Hurley bird). Apollo was born on an island surround by swans and had a large swan as a ride And Apollo gave the Cadacus (the staff) to Hermes.
EGYPTIAN NOTES
The Egyptian God Anubis is often depicted with only four toes. The statue foot in the finale might be of him. We've already seen the Egyptian hieroglyphs in the hatch that some speculate has something to do with death.
HISTORICAL CHARACTERS
Desmond (David Hume) is yet another character named after named after an enlightenment philosopher, like John Locke. Among other things, he rejected a belief in "cause and effect". He was also a "skeptic", in the sense of having a great deal of doubt, and was a follower of John Locke (the philosopher), which seems to be reversed on LOST.
LITERATURE
1. “Ozymandias of Egypt” by Percy Shelley
I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said:—Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shatter'd visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamp'd on these lifeless things,
The hand that mock'd them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains: round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
2. “Ozymandias” by Horace Smith.
In Egypt's sandy silence, all alone,
Stands a gigantic Leg, which far off throws
The only shadow that the Desert knows:
"I am great OZYMANDIAS," saith the stone,
"The King of Kings; this mighty City shows
"The wonders of my hand." – The City's gone,
Nought but the Leg remaining to disclose
The site of this forgotten Babylon.
We wonder, – and some Hunter may express
Wonder like ours, when thro' the wilderness
Where London stood, holding the Wolf in chace,
He meets some fragments huge, and stops to guess
What powerful but unrecorded race
Once dwelt in that annihilated place.
3. "Our Mutual Friend" by Dickens opens with a boat sliding along, being rowed by...Elizabeth. The book is about the son of a tycoon who must marry a specific woman to inherit his father's fortune. He shuns this, leaves, is presumed drowned, which is untrue. He returns under a new identity, gets hired at a company related to his father, marries the same woman on his own merit, not on his father's riches, and only afterwards, assumes his original identity and inherits his fortune.
4. In James P. Blaylock's novel "Lord Kelvin's Machine," Lord Kelvin invented an electromagnetic device which would negate the earth's magnetic field for a brief time in order to avoid a collision with an iron-bearing comet. The hero spends the first part of the novel trying to prevent the machine from being turned on, as the result would be cataclysmic. Also of note, the book, which takes place in an alternate Victorian era, makes use of Maxwell's Equations, a series of equations that describe gravity and magnetism. In the real world, Maxwell only came up with 4 equations. To account for all the impossible science that exists in the alternate world, Blaylock had his Maxwell come up with an additional 12 laws, bringing the total to a Swan friendly 16.
CARTOON NOTES
When the big magnet thing was on and all the stuff was flying toward it, did anyone else picture that scene from a Bugs Bunny cartoon? It's the one where Wile E. Coyote (Super Genius) is trying to get Bugs by eating an iron carrot then dragging him into Wile E's cave by a giant magnet, except that the magnet is so strong it attracts EVERYTHING, including household appliances, ocean liners, airplanes, and a rocket.
WEBSITE NOTES
www.hansocareers.com - the highlighted letters in the six Job Openings are nslutmIemAya. You can unscabmle them to read “Asylum Inmate.”
Interesting article in the NY Times.
Ok, this is kinda cool. The link below offers transcripts of the "whispers" heard throughout the series. It seems that in addition to the whispers we can hear, there are others buried in the audio tracks as well.
http://www.lostlinks.net/whispers.htm
Yet another recap
FINAL, FINAL THOUGHTS
Why were Jack, Sawyer and Sayid carrying guns during the funeral? The funeral was taking place at sundown and the Group of 5 was going to leave the next morning. I can maybe understand that Sayid would have his gun (from when Sawyer gave it to him), and maybe Sawyer always feels like he needs one, but that doesn’t explain Jack.
I was very upset that Michael asked unHenry about his “friends”. Sorry, Michael, but when you lead four people to their almost certain doom, you give up the right to call them your friends.
Michael is traveling in his boat in the direction bearing 325. The clock on the wall at the airport bar (Jack and Ana-Lucia) said 3:25. The clock on the wall at the psychic’s office (Claire) said 3:25. unHenry said his birthday was March 25th (3/25).
Another note about the Ice Station. One message board said that the message stating “ElectroMagnetic Anamoly” also had the number 7418880. If you multiply 4*8*15*16*23*42, you get that number. Also, the song “Make You Own Kind of Music” is playing when we first saw the Hatch in the first episode in Season 2. This song is also playing in the Listening station (albeit a sitar instrumental version of it).
Thinking back on the season, I was a little disappointed. Most of the season was about the hatch and now it’s gone. Granted, there are several more hatches and we now have the Others to contend with, but it just seemed like a dissatisfying conclusion to that part of the story.
One more issue before I leave you – they did answer how the plane crashed (magnetic energy) but all along I think we were all thinking that these people were brought to the island on purpose. One could argue that Kelvin was part of a master plan and lured Desmond out of the hatch so that he would miss pushing the button, but if that was the case, then Kelvin could have just sent Desmond out to the jungle by himself (he kept asking). Anyway, there still is another fly in the ointment. The plane had lost radio contact and was 1,000 miles off-course when they crashed. Was the pilot of the plane in on the master plan? You see how crazy this show can make you? ;-)
Have a good summer everyone. We’ll chat again soon.
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